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of users among various irc networks.
  
of users among various irc networks.
   
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The Freenode IRC network hosts the large #haskell channel, and we've had
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The Freenode IRC network hosts the very large #haskell channel, and we've had
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up to 1046
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up to 723 concurrent users (average is 655), making the channel
  
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concurrent users, making the channel consistently
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[http://searchirc.com/search.php?SCHANS=1&SSORT=SIZE&N=freenode the 5th largest]
  
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[http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23haskell&net=freenode one of the most popular]
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of the 7000 channels on freenode (Feb 2009) and the second largest programming language channel after Python. One famous
  
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of the thousands of channels on freenode. One famous
 
resident is [[Lambdabot]], another is [http://hpaste.org hpaste] (see
  
resident is [[Lambdabot]], another is [http://hpaste.org hpaste] (see
 
the [[#Bots|Bots]] section below).
  
the [[#Bots|Bots]] section below).
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As always, #haskell remains the primary place for new user questions.
  
As always, #haskell remains the primary place for new user questions.
   
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{| border="0" align="right"
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|+ '''#haskell visualized'''
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[http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/3/3c/Haskell-current.png [[Image:Haskell-current-small.png|thumb|The #haskell social graph, Jan 2008]]]
  
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| [[Image:Haskell-current.png|thumb|The social graph, Jan 2008]]
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[[Image:Irc-raw.png|thumb|Daily traffic in #haskell since 2004]]
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| [[Image:Irc-raw.png|thumb|Daily traffic since 2004]]
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[[Image:Nick-activity.png|thumb|Growth of #haskell]]
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| [[Image:Nick-activity.png|thumb|Growth]]
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| [[Image:Haskell-wordle-irc.png|thumb|Noun map]]
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|}
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[[Image:Haskell-wordle-irc.png|thumb|Haskell noun map]]
  
   
 
== Getting there ==
  
== Getting there ==
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the language.
  
the language.
   
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Part of the #haskell success comes from the approach that the community
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Part of the #haskell success comes from the fact that the community
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is quite tight knit -- we know each other -- it's not just a homework
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is quite tight knit — we know each other — it's not just a homework
 
channel. As a result, many collaborative projects have arisen between
  
channel. As a result, many collaborative projects have arisen between
 
Haskell irc channel citizens.
  
Haskell irc channel citizens.
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To maintain the friendly, open culture, the following is required:
  
To maintain the friendly, open culture, the following is required:
   
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* Low to zero tolerance for ridiculing questions. Insulting new users is unacceptable.
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* Low to zero tolerance for ridiculing questions. Insulting new users is unacceptable. New Haskell users should feel entirely comfortable asking questions.
   
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* Helpful answers should be encouraged with <code>name++</code> karma points, in public, as a reward for providing a good answer.
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New Haskell users should feel entirely comfortable asking new questions.
  
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Helpful answers should be encouraged with <hask>name++</hask> karma
  
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points, in public, as a reward for providing a good answer.
  
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As the channel grows, we see a diverse range of people, with different
  
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programming backgrounds, trying to make their way with Haskell. A good
  
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rule of thumb, to avoid frustration is:
  
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* approach negative comments by asking for details (kind of like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Socratic questioning]), rather than challenging the competence of the writer (ad hominem).
  
   
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* Avoid getting frustrated by negative comments and ambiguous questions. Approach them by asking for details (i.e. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Socratic questioning]), rather than challenging the competence of the writer (ad hominem). As the channel grows, we see a diverse range of people with different programming backgrounds getting accustomed to Haskell. Be patient and take satisfaction from spreading knowledge.
   
 
== History ==
  
== History ==
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The #haskell channel appeared in the late 90s, and really got going
  
The #haskell channel appeared in the late 90s, and really got going
 
in early 2001, with the help of Shae Erisson (aka shapr).
  
in early 2001, with the help of Shae Erisson (aka shapr).
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A fairly extensive analysis of the traffic on #haskell over the years is
  
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[http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~dons/irc/ kept here]
  
   
 
== Related channels ==
  
== Related channels ==
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In addition to the main Haskell channel there are also:
  
In addition to the main Haskell channel there are also:
   
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=== Language/Country specific ===
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{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="center"
  
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{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="left"
 
! Channel
  
! Channel
 
! Purpose
  
! Purpose
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|-
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| style="width: 20%;" | #haskell-br
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| Brazilian Portuguese (pt_BR) speakers
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #haskell.cz
  
| #haskell.cz
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| Finnish speakers
  
| Finnish speakers
 
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| #haskell.fr
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| #haskell-fr
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| French speakers
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| French speakers (note the hyphen! in the channel name)
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #haskell.hr
  
| #haskell.hr
 
| Croatian speakers
  
| Croatian speakers
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|-
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| #haskell-id
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| Indonesian speakers (note the hyphen! in the channel name)
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #haskell.it
 
| #haskell.it
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| #haskell.jp
 
| #haskell.jp
 
| Japanese speakers
  
| Japanese speakers
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| #haskell.kr
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| Korean speakers
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #haskell.no
 
| #haskell.no
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| #haskell.pt
  
| #haskell.pt
 
| Portuguese speakers
  
| Portuguese speakers
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| #haskell-pl
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| Polish speakers
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #haskell.ru
 
| #haskell.ru
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| #haskell_ru
 
| #haskell_ru
 
| Russian speakers again, in UTF-8. For those, who prefer good ol' IRC channel with a lambdabot.
  
| Russian speakers again, in UTF-8. For those, who prefer good ol' IRC channel with a lambdabot.
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|-
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| #haskell-ro
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| Romanian speakers.
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #haskell.se
 
| #haskell.se
 
| Swedish speakers
  
| Swedish speakers
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|-
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| #haskell.tw
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| Chinese speakers (mainly in Taiwan)
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|-
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| #haskell.vn
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| Vietnamese speakers
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|-
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| #chicagohaskell
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| [http://chicagohaskell.com Chicago Haskell] programmers group
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|}
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=== Platform-specific ===
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{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="left"
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! Channel
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! Purpose
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|-
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| style="width: 20%;" | #haskell-beginners
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| Haskell people focused on teaching and learning Haskell, not just beginners.
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|-
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| #haskell-offtopic
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| Haskell people talking about anything except Haskell itself (no TLS required)
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #haskell-blah
 
| #haskell-blah
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| Haskell people talking about anything except Haskell itself
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| Haskell people talking about anything except Haskell itself (TLS required)
 
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|-
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| #haskell-books
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| #haskell-game
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| The hub for Haskell-based [[Game Development|game development]]
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| Authors organizing the collaborative writing of the [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Haskell Haskell wikibook] and other books or tutorials.
  
 
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| [[Haskell-game IRC channel|#haskell-game]]
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| #haskell-in-depth
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| slower paced discussion of use, theory, implementation etc with no monad tutorials!
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| The hub for Haskell-based game development
  
 
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| #haskell-iphone
  
| #haskell-iphone
 
| Haskell-based [[iPhone]] development
  
| Haskell-based [[iPhone]] development
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|-
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| #haskell-apple
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| projects that target iOS or OS X using Haskell.
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|-
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| #haskell-lisp
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| [[Haskell Lisp]] - projects that are creating Lisps written in Haskell, or Haskell implementations written in Lisps.
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|-
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| #haskell-llvm
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| For projects using Haskell and LLVM
 
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| #haskell-overflow
  
| #haskell-overflow
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| Friendly, practical discussion of haskell web app/framework/server development
  
| Friendly, practical discussion of haskell web app/framework/server development
 
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| #haskell-robotics
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| '''Platform-specific:'''
  
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| Discussion about the use of Haskell for robotics applications.
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|
  
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #arch-haskell
 
| #arch-haskell
 
| [[Arch Linux]]/ specific Haskell conversations
  
| [[Arch Linux]]/ specific Haskell conversations
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|-
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| #fedora-haskell
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| [[Fedora]] Haskell SIG
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #gentoo-haskell
 
| #gentoo-haskell
 
| [[Gentoo]]/Linux specific Haskell conversations
  
| [[Gentoo]]/Linux specific Haskell conversations
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|}
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=== Projects using haskell ===
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{| border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="5" align="left"
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! Channel
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! Purpose
 
|-
  
|-
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| style="width: 20%;" | #darcs
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| '''Projects using haskell:'''
  
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|
  
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|-
  
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| #darcs
 
 
| [[Darcs]] revision control system
  
| [[Darcs]] revision control system
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|-
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| #diagrams
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| [[Diagrams]] EDSL
 
|-
  
|-
 
| #hackage
  
| #hackage
 
| Haskell's software distribution infrastructure
  
| Haskell's software distribution infrastructure
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|-
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| #haskell-lens
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| [[Lens]] discussions
 
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|-
 
| #happs
  
| #happs
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| #perl6
 
| #perl6
 
| [http://www.pugscode.org Perl 6] development (plenty of Haskell chat there too)
  
| [http://www.pugscode.org Perl 6] development (plenty of Haskell chat there too)
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|-
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| #snowdrift
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| [https://snowdrift.coop Snowdrift.coop] Yesod-based web platform for funding free/libre/open works, welcomes Haskell volunteer devs including beginners
 
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| #snapframework
  
| #snapframework
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| #xmonad
  
| #xmonad
 
| [http://xmonad.org Xmonad] tiling window manager
  
| [http://xmonad.org Xmonad] tiling window manager
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|-
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| #yesod
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| [http://yesodweb.com Yesod] web framework
 
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== Logs ==
  
== Logs ==
   
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'''Logs''' are kept at a few places, including
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'''Logs''' are kept at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/ and can be searched at http://ircbrowse.net/browse/haskell
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* [http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/ tunes.org]
  
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* [http://ircbrowse.com/cdates.html?channel=haskell IRCBrowse]
  
   
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<!-- anywhere else? ircbrowse.com is a goner, apparently -->
   
 
== Bots ==
  
== Bots ==
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| @pointful FUNCTION or '@unpl' FUNCTION
  
| @pointful FUNCTION or '@unpl' FUNCTION
 
| shows a 'pointful' version of FUNCTION
  
| shows a 'pointful' version of FUNCTION
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|-
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| @tell <nick> <msg> -- same as @ask
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| Next time <nick> speaks in channel they will be notified they have a message pending and how to receive it.
 
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Revision as of 11:04, 27 May 2016

Internet Relay Chat is a worldwide text chat service with many thousands of users among various irc networks.

The Freenode IRC network hosts the very large #haskell channel, and we've had up to 1046 concurrent users, making the channel consistently one of the most popular of the thousands of channels on freenode. One famous resident is Lambdabot, another is hpaste (see the Bots section below).

The IRC channel can be an excellent place to learn more about Haskell, and to just keep in the loop on new things in the Haskell world. Many new developments in the Haskell world first appear on the irc channel.

Since 2009, the Haskell channel has grown large enough that we've split it in two parts:

  • #haskell, for all the usual things
  • #haskell-in-depth , for those seeking in depth, or more theoretical discussion

As always, #haskell remains the primary place for new user questions.

#haskell visualized
The social graph, Jan 2008
Daily traffic since 2004
Growth
Noun map

Getting there

If you point your irc client to chat.freenode.net and then join the #haskell channel, you'll be there. Alternately, you can try http://java.freenode.net/ or http://webchat.freenode.net/ which connects inside the browser.

Example, using irssi: 

   $ irssi -c chat.freenode.net -n myname -w mypassword
   /join #haskell

Tip, if you're using Emacs to edit your Haskell sources then why not use it to chat about Haskell? Check out ERC, The Emacs IRC client. Invoke it like this and follow the commands: 

   M-x erc-select
   ...
   /join #haskell
A screenshot of an irssi session in #haskell

Principles

The #haskell channel is a very friendly, welcoming place to hang out, teach and learn. The goal of #haskell is to encourage learning and discussion of Haskell, functional programming, and programming in general. As part of this we welcome newbies, and encourage teaching of the language.

Part of the #haskell success comes from the fact that the community is quite tight knit — we know each other — it's not just a homework channel. As a result, many collaborative projects have arisen between Haskell irc channel citizens.

To maintain the friendly, open culture, the following is required:

  • Low to zero tolerance for ridiculing questions. Insulting new users is unacceptable. New Haskell users should feel entirely comfortable asking questions.
  • Helpful answers should be encouraged with name++ karma points, in public, as a reward for providing a good answer.
  • Avoid getting frustrated by negative comments and ambiguous questions. Approach them by asking for details (i.e. Socratic questioning), rather than challenging the competence of the writer (ad hominem). As the channel grows, we see a diverse range of people with different programming backgrounds getting accustomed to Haskell. Be patient and take satisfaction from spreading knowledge.

History

The #haskell channel appeared in the late 90s, and really got going in early 2001, with the help of Shae Erisson (aka shapr).

Related channels

In addition to the main Haskell channel there are also:

Language/Country specific

Channel Purpose
#haskell-br Brazilian Portuguese (pt_BR) speakers
#haskell.cz Czech speakers (UTF-8)
#haskell.de German speakers
#haskell.dut Dutch speakers
#haskell.es Spanish speakers
#haskell.fi Finnish speakers
#haskell-fr French speakers (note the hyphen! in the channel name)
#haskell.hr Croatian speakers
#haskell-id Indonesian speakers (note the hyphen! in the channel name)
#haskell.it Italian speakers
#haskell.jp Japanese speakers
#haskell.kr Korean speakers
#haskell.no Norwegian speakers
#haskell.pt Portuguese speakers
#haskell-pl Polish speakers
#haskell.ru Russian speakers. Seems that most of them migrated to Jabber conference (haskell@conference.jabber.ru).
#haskell_ru Russian speakers again, in UTF-8. For those, who prefer good ol' IRC channel with a lambdabot.
#haskell-ro Romanian speakers.
#haskell.se Swedish speakers
#haskell.tw Chinese speakers (mainly in Taiwan)
#haskell.vn Vietnamese speakers
#chicagohaskell Chicago Haskell programmers group

Platform-specific

Channel Purpose
#haskell-beginners Haskell people focused on teaching and learning Haskell, not just beginners.
#haskell-offtopic Haskell people talking about anything except Haskell itself (no TLS required)
#haskell-blah Haskell people talking about anything except Haskell itself (TLS required)
#haskell-game The hub for Haskell-based game development
#haskell-in-depth slower paced discussion of use, theory, implementation etc with no monad tutorials!
#haskell-iphone Haskell-based iPhone development
#haskell-apple projects that target iOS or OS X using Haskell.
#haskell-lisp Haskell Lisp - projects that are creating Lisps written in Haskell, or Haskell implementations written in Lisps.
#haskell-llvm For projects using Haskell and LLVM
#haskell-overflow Overflow conversations
#haskell-web Friendly, practical discussion of haskell web app/framework/server development
#haskell-robotics Discussion about the use of Haskell for robotics applications.
#arch-haskell Arch Linux/ specific Haskell conversations
#fedora-haskell Fedora Haskell SIG
#gentoo-haskell Gentoo/Linux specific Haskell conversations

Projects using haskell

Channel Purpose
#darcs Darcs revision control system
#diagrams Diagrams EDSL
#hackage Haskell's software distribution infrastructure
#haskell-lens Lens discussions
#happs Happstack web framework
#hledger hledger accounting tools and library
#leksah Leksah IDE for Haskell development
#perl6 Perl 6 development (plenty of Haskell chat there too)
#snowdrift Snowdrift.coop Yesod-based web platform for funding free/libre/open works, welcomes Haskell volunteer devs including beginners
#snapframework Snap web framework
#xmonad Xmonad tiling window manager
#yesod Yesod web framework

Logs

Logs are kept at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/haskell/ and can be searched at http://ircbrowse.net/browse/haskell


Bots

There are various bots on the channel. Their names and usage are described here.

lambdabot

Lambdabot is both the name of a software package and a bot on the channel. It provides many useful services for visitors to the IRC channel. It is available as a haskell package and can be integrated into ghci. Details on the software are found on a separate wiki page.

Here is its interface for the IRC user:

lambdabot's commands are prepended by a '@' sign.

Command Usage
@help display help to other commands, but help text is not available for all commands.
@type EXPR or ':t' EXPR shows the type of an expression
@kind TYPECONSTRUCTOR shows the kind of a type constructor
@run EXPR or '>' EXPR evaluates EXPR
@pl FUNCTION shows a pointfree version of FUNCTION
@pointful FUNCTION or '@unpl' FUNCTION shows a 'pointful' version of FUNCTION
@tell <nick> <msg> -- same as @ask Next time <nick> speaks in channel they will be notified they have a message pending and how to receive it.

preflex

is the name of a lambdabot with more commands/plugins enabled. It is run by ?? To talk to preflex, write preflex: command ARGS

Command Usage
help COMMAND displays help to other commands.
list lists all plugins with their commands
NICK++ / NICK-- in/decrements the karma of NICK.
karma NICK shows the karma of NICK
seen NICK shows information about the last message of a user
tell / ask sends NICK MSG a message when she becomes active.
xseen see 'seen' ?? any difference ?
quote NICK prints a random quote of NICK
remember NAME QUOTE associates NAME with quote. can be accessed by 'quote'
... ...

hpaste

The hpaste bot provides a notification interface to the hpaste pastebin. Emacs integration is available.

Usage?

Not online often !?

hackage

The hackage bot provides real-time notifications of new package uploads to Hackage.

Locations

To get an overview of where everybody on the channel might be, physically, please visit Haskell user locations.

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