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+ | Even so, it is fair to object that the ‘monadified’ definition is ugly compared | ||

+ | to its direct but not obviously terminating counterpart, with more intermediate | ||

+ | naming. Monadic programming is ugly in general [...] There is no need to consider monadic style a just punishment, whatever your impurity. | ||

+ | <tt>[https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/conor.mcbride/pub/Totality.pdf Totality versus Turing-Completeness?], Conor McBride.</tt> | ||

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Still, today, over 25 years after the introduction of the concept of monads to the world of functional programming, beginning functional programmers struggle to grasp the concept of monads. This struggle is exemplified by the numerous blog posts about the effort of trying to learn about monads. From our own experience we notice that even at university level, bachelor level students often struggle to comprehend monads and consistently score poorly on monad-related exam questions. | Still, today, over 25 years after the introduction of the concept of monads to the world of functional programming, beginning functional programmers struggle to grasp the concept of monads. This struggle is exemplified by the numerous blog posts about the effort of trying to learn about monads. From our own experience we notice that even at university level, bachelor level students often struggle to comprehend monads and consistently score poorly on monad-related exam questions. | ||

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<tt>[https://pms.cs.ru.nl/iris-diglib/src/getContent.php?id=2017-Steenvoorden-SupportLearning Visual Support for Learning Monads], Tim Steenvoorden, Jurriën Stutterheim, Erik Barendsen and Rinus Plasmeijer.</tt> | <tt>[https://pms.cs.ru.nl/iris-diglib/src/getContent.php?id=2017-Steenvoorden-SupportLearning Visual Support for Learning Monads], Tim Steenvoorden, Jurriën Stutterheim, Erik Barendsen and Rinus Plasmeijer.</tt> | ||

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+ | If you put up a video about monads, the comments are fantastic [...] my personal favourite: | ||

+ | * ''What is a Monad? A miserable pile of functions.'' | ||

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+ | <tt>[https://twitter.com/haskellhutt/status/1192039007716364288 Graham Hutton].</tt> | ||

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+ | ...so where are students of Haskell most likely to have their first encounter with this irksome interface? | ||

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+ | Haskell, for some the digital equivalent of a 'garden of eden'-esque waterfall under a beautiful sunset; for others a source of pain and stress. This pain and stress is for beginners often largest when they have learned a little bit about monads like <code>IO</code>. | ||

+ | <tt>[https://hugopeters.me/posts/13/ Hugo Peters].</tt> | ||

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<code>IO</code> is the monad you cannot avoid. | <code>IO</code> is the monad you cannot avoid. | ||

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If bachelor-level students are often struggling to comprehend the monadic interface, then it has ''no place whatsoever'' in any introductory Haskell course! I/O in Haskell must therefore be totally independent of the monadic interface. The introduction of this interface, including its basic operations, should be deferred to an advanced course of study where it can join functors, applicatives, arrows and maybe even category theory itself: only then should students be introduced to monadic I/O. | If bachelor-level students are often struggling to comprehend the monadic interface, then it has ''no place whatsoever'' in any introductory Haskell course! I/O in Haskell must therefore be totally independent of the monadic interface. The introduction of this interface, including its basic operations, should be deferred to an advanced course of study where it can join functors, applicatives, arrows and maybe even category theory itself: only then should students be introduced to monadic I/O. | ||

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+ | The most difficult construct for students to understand is the monad. I introduce <code>IO</code> without mentioning monads. | ||

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+ | <tt>[[Haskell in education|Olaf Chitil]].</tt> | ||

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A [https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/article/kiss-keep-it-simple-stupid-a-design-principle simple] general-purpose model of I/O for non-strict functional languages remains an [[Open research problems|open research problem]]... | A [https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/article/kiss-keep-it-simple-stupid-a-design-principle simple] general-purpose model of I/O for non-strict functional languages remains an [[Open research problems|open research problem]]... | ||

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## Latest revision as of 07:10, 28 July 2022

Even so, it is fair to object that the ‘monadified’ definition is ugly compared to its direct but not obviously terminating counterpart, with more intermediate naming. Monadic programming is ugly in general [...] There is no need to consider monadic style a just punishment, whatever your impurity.

`Totality versus Turing-Completeness?, Conor McBride.`

Still, today, over 25 years after the introduction of the concept of monads to the world of functional programming, beginning functional programmers struggle to grasp the concept of monads. This struggle is exemplified by the numerous blog posts about the effort of trying to learn about monads. From our own experience we notice that even at university level, bachelor level students often struggle to comprehend monads and consistently score poorly on monad-related exam questions.

Considering that the concept of monads is not likely to disappear from the functional programming landscape any time soon, it is vital that we, as the functional programming community, somehow overcome the problems novices encounter when first studying monads.

`Visual Support for Learning Monads, Tim Steenvoorden, Jurriën Stutterheim, Erik Barendsen and Rinus Plasmeijer.`

If you put up a video about monads, the comments are fantastic [...] my personal favourite:

*What is a Monad? A miserable pile of functions.*

...so where are students of Haskell most likely to have their first encounter with this irksome interface?

Haskell, for some the digital equivalent of a 'garden of eden'-esque waterfall under a beautiful sunset; for others a source of pain and stress. This pain and stress is for beginners often largest when they have learned a little bit about monads like `IO`

.

`IO`

is the monad you cannot avoid.

If bachelor-level students are often struggling to comprehend the monadic interface, then it has *no place whatsoever* in any introductory Haskell course! I/O in Haskell must therefore be totally independent of the monadic interface. The introduction of this interface, including its basic operations, should be deferred to an advanced course of study where it can join functors, applicatives, arrows and maybe even category theory itself: only then should students be introduced to monadic I/O.

The most difficult construct for students to understand is the monad. I introduce `IO`

without mentioning monads.

A simple general-purpose model of I/O for non-strict functional languages remains an open research problem...